In 2020, while the world was busy imploding, two old Shrews got together and decided to talk about changing everything. And we recorded it. After a wildly successful ride, with unexpected downloads and even a few haters (that’s when you know you’re really doing something right, right?) Jay’s personal life hit a speed-bump then Jen gave up entrepreneurship and got a really real *gasp* job. Yes, her potential boss found these episodes. Yes, she still got the job. However, the cackling still live on all the poddy platforms and we still stand by most of the concepts we discussed then. It was a bit of a golden time in our lives, and friendship, and this podcast is testament to that. 

Episode 2 – All Eyes On COVID-19, What Does This Mean For Women?


The House of Shrew collective of two grabs the bull by the horns and serves up a big, hearty conversation on coronavirus. Pubs, clubs, and gyms are closed, basically a lot of us are at home. With a strong social focus on hand-washing, isolation, and toilet paper, Jen and Jay found themselves asking what all of this means for women, and people who just don’t have a narrative in the media’s virus coverage – the chronically ill.

Please scroll down for a link to a mighty transcription – we planned to publish it all on this website but at just over 15,000 words, we thought we might give it it’s own Googley Doc. 


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There is a transcript for this show. You can read it here

Sorry, it was 67 pages long!

And there is a guest listener response to this episode published as a blog 



Show Notes


Thank you to the following sources we’ve used to fact-check, investigate, and back up our claims to make our Coronavirus episode. 

Annabel Crabb, Men at Work: Australia’s Parenthood Trap. 2019. Quarterly Essay Issue 75

Al Jazeera: Coronavirus in 500 words

Emily Maguire, This Is What A Feminist Looks Like. 2019. NLA Publishing

The Financial Feminist, Facebook post 28 March 2020, read it here

Mona Etalhawy  (author of The Seven Necessary Sins for Women and Girls)

Soraya Chemaly, Rage Becomes Her. 2018. Simon and Schuster

Stephanie Zillman, Free child care during coronavirus pandemic leaves family day care providers concerned

Yolande Strengers, Coronavirus has sparked a work from home revolution, but is it a backward step for gender equality? 2020. Via ABC News

Senator Jordon Steele-John

Simon Del Favero for the amazing CFS advocacy chat and these links:

How will COVID-19 affect women and girls in low and middle income countries? 


Gender Equity in the Workforce – An analysis of 104 countries

The brilliant businesswomen in #fullysickbusinesschick 

and the amazing folk from the ME Advocacy Network Australia and Accessible Australia 

And Alex, Meg, and Ellie – who all helped Jay find voices or donated their own.


The Cackle Of Sisterhood 

It’s been at least a couple of years since Jay and Jen’s friendship was forged by a mutual fiery love of feminism and the power of wordsmithery. It took a global pandemic and things generally going to hell in a handbasket for them to throw all the right ingredients into a pot and birth the Shrews Untamed podcast.

When they’re not yelling, “I know, RIGHT?” at each other on FB Messenger, Jay is an award-winning copywriter and copy coach and Jen is an author with her first book in the works. They are also mothers, sisters, daughters, and both fans of the C word. 

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Disclaimer on historical and literary references, and views expressed on Shrews Untamed 

Unless we say otherwise, the history sources Jay and Jen mention on Shrews Untamed are from the dominant Western scholarly tradition. (That means Western history and literature was written by white men, for white men, and about white men – and a few very ‘good’ and very ‘bad’ women.) Through Feminist scholarship, the achievements, stories, and voices of women are slowly being ressurected from the past; some are lost forever. 

We acknowledge that for First Nation women and Women of Colour, the history books have been closed for much longer, and the pursuit of Herstory has not been equitable, or free of Western/colonial bias.

Unless we say otherwise, most of the literary references are made to Western literature. Western literature, poetry, and artistic tradition are all filled with the names, images, and stories of women – and of course, Western patriarchal bias which has dictated our history bleeds into literature and the arts. Whether writing based on Near-Eastern historical figures like Cleopatra, the Virgin Mary, and including Western fictional characters like our dear Kate from Shakespeare’s The Taming of the Shrew – each were envisioned and written by white men, and shown as white women, or fetishised exotics, for a largely white male audience.

The literary, cultural and artistic traditions, as well as current views of First Nation women and Women of Colour, or any non-binary person, should be told by people who have with lived that experience and/or tradition. And they are.

As we say in the outro, all opinions on content expressed on Shrews Untamed are our own. Jay and Jen are both white, CIS-het women; we can only speak with authenticity of our own white, CIS-het experience of Western culture and our world, and we do so without apology.

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